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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Aug 13, 2004 4:42pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: he's gay!

Well I look at it this way. SO WHAT? He's gay, we dont a big deal out of the other gay/lesbian people, so how does his being a govenor make his homosexuality anymore intresting, I have to agree with spuzz on this one. Politically he did nothing wrong...so I don't think he should resign, he's gay...frankly i really don't care..im not in the KKK and i'm not a Nazi, i hold nothing against him in anyway now that he's gay. I think he should just stick with his job and just be himself

VOTE CANNING/YOUNG 2004!!!

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Poster: tom w. Date: Aug 13, 2004 4:53pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: he's gay!

thanks for responding guys

your right. homosexuality is not the central issue of this story. on the contrary, i think the gay issue is really a distraction put forth by the governor and celebrated by the media which served to bury the real reasons why mcgreedy announced his resignation. it seems odd that a political figure of his stature would volunteer his true sexual orientation out of the blue. why did he feel it necessary to confess his secret?

(gay or straight, i think it took some balls to come out like that.)

for an elected official the impending doom of a charge of sexual harassment (yet to be officially filed) and of the misuse of government funds and authority, would make most go on the defensive. but mcgreedy took the offensive. he cut 'em off at the pass (its suspected that the governor's preemptive speech delayed, or possibly postponed the harassment charges)

i guess the reason i brought it up was because i found it disheartening to watch the governor and then the media try, in some distorted way, to make this story about the issues of coming out and gay rights. to me, the resignation seems less about his sexual preferences, and more about his guilt.

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Poster: glenn Date: Aug 14, 2004 12:50am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: he's gay!

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(gay or straight, i think it took some balls to come out like that.) "
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I think he was kind of forced to 'come out' by being discovered? It seems like the gay issue is being used to cover the worse details of the scandal.

The rest of this is purely My Own Opinion, don't expect me to defend it as it's just opinion.:

My thoughts on the thing run along these lines: If straight white men have gotten this country where it is today, we could use some nonwhite/nonstraight/nonmale leadership... because we are right on the brink of "sucking s**t through those tiny cocktail straws and thinking we are drinking champagne" - as a country these days. The whole world is looking at us the way they would an idiot with a machine gun. Whoever we elect as leaders, they sure need to be a LOT different than most of the ones we have now.

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Poster: tom w. Date: Aug 14, 2004 3:09am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: he's gay!

"i think he was forced to come out because of being discovered"

he was NOT forced to come out for being discovered as a gay man. its been rumored that he was gay for years now. the reason he came out at this time was because it was inevitable that he was going to be accused of political malpractice and possibly indicted. this is why the story is such a charade because the governor and the media are convincing people that this is about his big secret, and the people are buying it. that fact is evident watching the replies on this message board. people saying they dont care if hes gay( neither do i) or why are you making this about homosexuality? (i didnt. the media did and the governor did) frankly i onder if people ever read past the first sentence in my post.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 14, 2004 7:12am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: an outsider looks at the USA

As a casual observer and reader of history (from Australia) I feel some optimism regarding USA. I notice an increasing tendency for the USA citizens and media to look inwards.. Most of its dangers seem to come from its own people( apart from 9/11, most terrorism in usa from usa people. I exempt Florida from my discussion as I do not consider to be part of JSA and should be relocated to the Sahara. revision spelling

This post was modified by cashel on 2004-08-14 14:12:41

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Poster: tom w. Date: Aug 14, 2004 2:38pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: an outsider looks at the USA

"i notice an increasing tendency for usa citizens and media to look inwards"

criticism of america by americans is the premise on which this country was founded. criticism and debate over what affects our lives as americans is fundamental to our political system and happens every day in congress, the media, and our homes.

but serious debate over how our government affects the lives of non-americans is much harder to find. americans are generally uninformed about how our government, which acts on our behalf and is the strongest in the world, influences the political, economic, and social lives of foreigners. example: 98% of turkish citizens oppose the invasion of iraq, but the democratic government supports it. and if a foriegner should criticize our business, our reaction is: see moxey's post here.


"most terrorism in usa is from usa people"

i guess your talking about timothy mcveigh, the unibomber, the kkk, the weatherman collective, and other american terrorists. but terrorism is terrorism and i expect my government to bring justice to the organizers of 9/11 in the same way it was brought to these american terrorists.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 14, 2004 2:58pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: an outsider looks at the USA

America and Australia are now negotiating a "Free Trade Agreement. Australian cititizens will be surrending some of their rights (freedoms) in the the hope that they will get economic benefits(e.g.we will have to bow to your "mickey mouse" copyright provisions.) So I think that Americans should listen to Australians. As to your confidence of usa ability to capture terrorists, I would remind you that the usa Anthrax murderers have not be found. The FBI list of USA hate organisations is interesting reading and they frighten me because their members may visit Australia. revision:::spelling

This post was modified by cashel on 2004-08-14 21:58:36

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Poster: tom w. Date: Aug 15, 2004 2:26am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: an outsider looks at the USA

cashel,

this is a forum. it implies discussion. i AM listening to australians, YOU!

as far as having "confidence in usa ability to capture terrorists" i would remind you that the majority of american terrorists have been caught and prosecuted (mcveigh, unibomber, members of kkk, weatherman collective) as far as the "anthrax murderers", this hardly compares to the terrorism of alqaeda and the aformentioned. do you know how many people have died from anthrax?

justice systems, yours, ours, anyones, are not infallable and often counterproductive but shouldnt be abondoned for not being perfect.

as youve illustrated, terrorist organizations know no boarders and should be seen as a concern for humanity and not this or that nation. my previous post distinguished between the actions of governments and the will of people when it comes to international affairs and foriegn policy. poll americans, or non-americans for that matter, and they will say that the "international community" should have more say in international issues,, e.g. war, trade agreements, poll government officials about the same issue and they will go on with some rhetoric about the need for soveriegnty.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 15, 2004 7:17am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: an outsider looks at the USA

TORNW I read your post with interest.Very good, and we are in basic agreement. This forum is much like the "Letters to the Editor " page in the newspaper and also gets interesting opinions.

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Poster: moxey Date: Aug 29, 2004 9:45am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: an outsider looks at the USA

first off i did not mean to insult cashel or his country men in particular.i know the aussies are with us{at least thier prime minister and a portion of thier population}.as is the case with my own country.my apologies if i was misunderstood.i dont mean to insult anyone.you see i lost a childhood friend in the trade towers.my nieghbor who lives two doors down lost his wife{who was pregnant with thier third child}.i am involved personally in this loss.what really angers me is when people accuse my countrymen or the president of being complicite somehow in the mess the world is in.did anyone accuse roosevelt of wrong doing when the japanese attacked? futher more i get disgusted when i hear the iraq war is wrong or illegal.they say iraq had nothing to do with september 11.well....did the germans have anything to do with pearl harbor?maybe our war with them was wrong and illegal too.maybe i should become a socialist like al gore or kerry...not worry about subhuman terrorists who will kill my children and become more sensitive about global warming and evil corporations.. after all the real terrorist resides in the white house...right.yes i will be voting for bush.he kills terrorists...when global warming flys planes into buildings or evil corporations saw the heads off our soldiers....you bet!!!my first phone call will be to wacky al gore and howard dean and ralph{the commie}nader and john{lurch}kerry and......
again no disrespect is meant to anyone on this forum.

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Poster: mbrlr Date: Oct 30, 2004 3:39pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: an outsider looks at the USA

I believe Hitler quite obligingly declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor; we might otherwise have run into problems declaring war on the Germans had they not done so.

Iraq seems to have had not one single thing to do with 9/11 and yet the United States, our country, invaded and deposed its leader. He was a reprehensible fellow, no doubt, but we used misstatements and half-truths to justify the invasion. Oh, and what about OBL, the fellow that actually masterminded the deaths of 3000 Americans? Oh, nevermind him...but we'll come back to that.

We have few real allies in Iraq. Those we have we've hurt. Is Tony Blair in good shape these days? Rather than showing wisdom and at least a modicum of humility towards our allies and the rest of the world, we've shown pride and a haughty spirit. Remember the bit about destruction and a fall? This explains why we've gone from a position where the entire world was one with us after 9/11 and now is disgusted by us. ...and because the administration was so hot and bothered to invade Iraq, we let OBL get away so he could make pre-election videos. The best argument I've read lately (and I can't recall which columnist, unfortunately) was essentially that we should impeach our current judicially installed warmonger by voting him out of office and attempt to bring some sanity back to Washington. Will we still have to fight on in Iraq and try to bring some level of stability there? Sure, but at least we'd have someone in office who doesn't see himself or the United States as God's chosen one. Hubris is destructive both personally and on a national/international level.

Throw the bums out come next Tuesday.

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Poster: moxey Date: Aug 14, 2004 10:57am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: an outsider looks at the USA

an insiders look at the rest of the world.......
the people of the u.s.a dont care what an outsider{australia} thinks of us.we can do with out shrimps on the barbie and a nut playing with crocidiles.we dont care if some countries are too socialist and have lost thier nerve thru liberalism to fight a common enemy.but dont worry,such countries when they are on thier knees,will somehow forget thier hatred of our prosperity and call our name.and we will come.you see, some of us who DON'T look inside ourselves{but understand that the problems of the world are not caused by the u.s.a but by third world instability} understand that there is a difference between weakness and evil.so therefore we will come to your aid... france etc.....yes,our media and some of our citizens are weak socialists too.but not all.one question cashel.....when they come to cut your throat who will you call? i to am a reader of history.and if you are, then you know that there can be no peace without absolute victory.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 14, 2004 12:45pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: your President called Australia,s leader "man of steel"

You have insulted both nations with your ignorance.President Bush has many times described Australia as "our friend".What nation has troops fighting terrorism in Iraq???(you would NOT know) alongside the Americans???????

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Poster: glenn Date: Aug 14, 2004 7:57am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: he's gay!

Please don't misquote me.
I actually said this:
" I think he was kind of forced to 'come out' by being discovered? It seems like the gay issue is being used to cover the worse details of the scandal. " Isn't that pretty much what you said too?... I'm not looking for an argument, at all, I heartily agree that his gayness or straightness has nothing to do with the real story.

Since I live in the US, I don't expect to be told the full story on anything... at least not by the 'News Outlets' , I expect them to be full of whatever propaganda their corporate interests need.

I'm not proud of being ignorant, and I don't like it, but I won't stop being ignorant just by watching mainstream 'news' on tv.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 14, 2004 8:17am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: media faults

GLENN I agree that the media could be improved, not only in the USA but also in my country Australia. They need a code of ethics which should be enforced revision spelling

This post was modified by cashel on 2004-08-14 15:17:27

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Aug 14, 2004 9:22am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Media Bias

Personally, I believe that the media is way to bias. They are ultra-Liberal and show no signs of improvement. If I had it my way, Though I believe in freedom of speech, outlaw media bias. Any media, A)can not support any candidates or B) If they support one, they must support all others equally. Then you'll see 3rd parties rise past Ross Perot's stature.

But to be honest, I don't trust the media..because I dont trust either ultra-platforms. But my point is we need a law that prevents media bias

VOTE CANNING/YOUNG 2004!!!!

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Aug 18, 2004 2:51am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Media Bias

As a politician I've dealt with the media for over two decades now and I can honestly say, the truth is NOT in them.

When the news giants talk about freedom of speech, they mean THEIR FREEDOM to lie, and trick, to libel and slander whoever they target, not your right to freely express your views, especially if your views challenge the accepted norm.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!

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Poster: tom w. Date: Aug 18, 2004 6:02am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Media Bias

what do you mean when you say the media is liberal? how are you using the word exactly? could you give an example. thanks

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Aug 22, 2004 7:27am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Media Bias

There is no two sided media. There is no such thing as an "anti-gay" media or anything on the oppisite side of Liberalism. Media only reflects the positives of the Liberal stance neglecting all others.

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Aug 24, 2004 12:50am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Media Bias

Well said. The electronic media (TV), is a cultural wasteland that had dumbed the American people down to a point where they're little better than zombies. At the other end of the spectrum, you've got supermarket "trash" tabloids like "The Weekly World News" spreading idiotic rubbish for moron consumption. With such a press and public it's no wonder the crooked shell game continues year after year, decade after decade non-stop.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 18, 2004 7:01am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Media Bias

This discussion will not get far . We need to concentrate on details., such as a particular newpaper,tv station or magazine, etc. Do not forget that the owners of an outlet are aware that if they push their bias too far ,they will lose readers or viewers and they will lose money..

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Aug 21, 2004 12:54am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: Media Bias

It has to do with "thought control" more, even than money. The system realized long ago that people aren't much different than computers, so you can program them to think whatever you want. Blow-up a few tall buildings, as the Bush regime did with the WTC & Co. in 2001, then you can start a Joe Goebbels style patriotism and go kick some Arab asses, so that your henchmen can rob oil-rich Iraq.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 14, 2004 9:32am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: florida anthrax

KURT have you any info the mystery anthrax murder in Florida. It seems to have ocurred at a convenient time for certain persons.

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Aug 14, 2004 11:33am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: florida anthrax

acctually I have just heard this story today, I intend an full scale reasearch of this topic. As soon as I have information i'll be more than glad to post it here.

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Aug 18, 2004 2:41am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: florida anthrax

It was admitted over CNN that the postal anthrax that circulated freely a couple of years ago was sent by the CDC, as an experiment. But, the report quickly added, they had no firm I.D. for the person or persons who did it and they doubted criminal charges would ever be filed as the governmet has the right to conduct psychological experiments on the general public duing times of war.
I heard this report on the radio, only once and it was very brief. It does however prove that Bush and his bunch have no ethics whatsoever and that they are willing to kill their fellow Americans as quickly as they are anyone else.
VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!